Well... what can I say... it was not the debate everyone was looking for I'm sure... haha funny how it turned out, but I can definitely say it turned out exactly the way I expected it. Well almost... Mr. Nye did ten times better than I had actually expected and I respect him much much more.I think a lot of people turning into the debate expected either side to completely dominate the other side... But I'm sure that when both sides are arguing with two opinions with various "black holes" in knowledge there can only be a certain point to where the debate will go.
If you ask me, being more biased to Creationism... I would say that Bill Nye won the debate, but really it's not that case... I think it was more of a stalemate than anything else.
Why? Well no one radically changed their mind... and no one convinced the audience to change their minds immediately after (or I had observed).
What I got and I agree with Ham is that there you really weren't there so you really cant tell. Growing up I've realized that unless you see it you can't trust it and even after you see it, it doesn't always seem to be what it seem. (Which is why I also can't seem to believe in God, because I've haven't seen him in person and miracles can be strokes of luck and coincidences) SO being able to see evolution happen it's a bit hard to believe that it's absolutely real. (As I'm sure that is how most scientist view it {"Scientist"= people who want to learn about the world... specified just for you Mr. Ham!}) However... Nye does a really good job explaining all the scientific evidence pointing to the fact it cant be possible for the earth to be 6000 years old. All those talk about drilling ice, rock layers, astronomy, and tree rings and the math equations proving how unrealistic it would be to have only a 6000 year earthly history. Nevertheless it's pretty hard to debate / disprove when the opponent just keeps saying... well that's how God made it. It's pretty similar to how a child will not be convinced that Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy are creation until they see that they daddy with his beer tummy and red overalls devouring the milk and cookies laid out for Dear Santa. Or until they see the slutty pink ballerina tutu and old wrinkly legs of the not so magical mommy who's stealthy sneaking into your room trying to STEAL your Gold to be. This is the thought process behind many Christians in our age and THEY'RE INCREASING! OME (as in OH MY EVOLUTION)
I read a lot of people's comment to this debate, speaking out on how Mr. Nye shouldn't have debate again Ham because it gave more credibility to the creationists, but I think it was awesome for Bill to do so. Why? Well think about it... Christianity is increasing, and possibly in the future it will be main religious view in the world. So soon the world will be so much more full of idiots who believe GOD did everything (not saying there's anything wrong with people only believing that the world is only the way it is because God made it that way. Or that there is anything wrong with people believing that their future is already predetermined by fate AKA God's Plan. Or Anything wrong with basing everything off one piece of evidence and having people no challenge the world and why everything is the way it is. OR anything wrong with the fact that stories will logic can be the tree of knowledge, but I'll let you decide what is really wrong {OFF TOPIC})
Anyways back on point... when there is less people willing to challenge the nature of the world, what will happen to our minds in term of creativity, innovation and ideas? Will we even develop anything if we think God will provide everything we need in the future anyways. He will make fish and bread multiply and water into wine once again so why does it matter. Will innovate ideas come to us when there is the thought that all we need is created already and we should be fine with what we have?
Can you imagine a place where everyone believes in God so much? Well you dont have to... There are societies out there that worship the word of God to the letter and look where they are :) Living life i'm sure :)
Enjoying life to it's fullest, eating the best food, feeling the best wind, and getting the adrenaline from Wing suit flying.
So Thank you Bill Nye because you have taken a BIG BIG step into fighting for the current education system. All the other scientists who refuse to debate with creationist are on creationists side because not speaking up for your belief is just the same as accepting that creationist is believable. SO SPEAK UP! Fight for the right to have your children search for the origins of life.
BTW Mr Ham?
- Adam was created from Clay? Which is lifeless I believe... so I believe you just contradicted the Bible?
- Yes the bible was translated many times and now it is american English and every other language... Can you really say that every version has the same translation? Cause every language has a different definition or understanding of a word... imagine the understand of a sentence... now a chapter and then a whole book...
- Really? REALLY? are you fucken seriously Ham? WTF is wrong with you... I can tell your obviously joking but it is childish rude and even retard to keep on saying "Well There is a book out there... that tell us "
- All these dating methods give out different dates, of all which gives a history of more than 6000 years. However inaccurate it might be, 20 million trials (made up #, but could be true) later, none seems to date the world at exactly 6000 years old.
- The Laws of Logic hahaha... Uh i guess it's logical to believe a God... who has never show himself
- Nye based his belief on evolution on various possibilities, theories and evidences out there that support the theory of evolution. Ham? BIBLE IS THE TRUTH AND THE ONLY TRUTH. Do you teach your children to find multiple evidences for a cause and effect or do you tell them to fuck off and believe that God made it that way?
- Are you really going to say that the audience wasn't mostly creationists? Hosting it at a Creationist Museum and getting them to laugh pretty much only at your jokes? Hmm well either way I'm sure you are awarded HAMsomlely for your performance tonight.
- Bill kept asking you to provide a prediction... I think I missed that part of the speech. Can you email me your prediction please?
- I read a quote some where "Never debate with an idiot because they will pull you down to their level and win" Well Bill you managed to continue speaking scientific evidence and with that you win :)
- Your creationist tree of "kinds" is laughable, where did dogs come from? of yeah God! Where did the lizard fish come from? Oh yeah God... Wait so Lizards, amphibians and fish are all... GOD DID IT SO STFO... Okay yes sir Heil HITLER
- Why doesn't people debate with Creationists? Cause GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD And wait for it GOD
- So here's one for you from Richard Dawkins "But who cares about creationists? They don’t know anything”
- 170 summers and winters every year for 6000 years lol
- 11 new species a day for 6000 years lol Might be a misrepresentation due to Bill's Confusion with species and Kinds
- Human skulls chart? Did you forgot that part?
- Your sources in the beginning? the videos of scientists/ creationists HAHAHA okay give me more please. I want to see who else you can come up with to give more credit lol
We will let you enjoy your 15 mins of fame before the internet completely dominates you and your Creationist Museum.
From the Internet lol
Nye: The morphological evidence, geological record, the fossil record …
AIG: Bible, bible, bible.
Nye: Not only that, but the DNA evidence …
AIG: Bible, bible, bible.
Nye: Then there’s the scientific method itself. When one considers the evidence …
AIG: Operational science, origins science. Bible, bible, bible.
Nye: Actually, evolution makes valid, testable predictions about …
AIG: Were you there? Bible, bible, bible.
Nye: But with creationism, you don’t actually produce anything of scientific value …
AIG: Bible, bible, bible. Lake of fire!Till next time
YABBA DABBA DOOOOOOOOO
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